I think there's such conflation at least in the US between "leftist" and "liberal" despite the differences because the right wing has been really successful for the past several decades in their society-wide push to label everything they oppose as leftism, combined with how as compared to many other countries there's been only a small sliver of active actual leftism.
Exactly. I was using it in the way they're used in the US. American people call themselves 'liberal' or 'leftwing' 'on the left' or increasingly 'progressive left' when their actual positions are very different to the political terms Left or Liberal (which perhaps I would have capitalised if I were using them in that way!).
The thing is whatever they call themselves, very rarely have I spoken to a man of ANY political stripe who behaves like or even *actually* thinks women are 3-dimensional, emotionally complex, human beings...
“ A man who sees a woman as a thing with boobs is a man who conceptualizes women as property to be owned, exploited and potentially despoiled, not a man who sees women as different, but equal.” 🔥👍 Still… that doesn’t change my experience that the vast majority of men I have spoken to/know do not understand that women are anything more than a surface. Note: I didn’t say “most men I know hate women”. That is not true. These men love their mothers, sisters, daughters, wives, girlfriends, friends… they just cannot comprehend the experience of being a woman- physically or socially- and so a large and deep part of a woman’s being is entirely ignored or disregarded… if it is even acknowledged to exist at all.
The accusation that you were offended is a tactic similar to telling someone to "calm down" or that you don't like their tone. It is actually used by both men and women to divert attention from the substance of an argument they are losing.
I’m enraptured by the precision of “But I can SEE!” I think that of all the things you might have said, it’s the least expected and yet most biting, the most difficult to debate.
A great phrase that deserves to be deployed much more widely. Kudos.
It literally sums up everything about being a woman. I fully believe our socialisation is what makes us an easy target for abuse. It’s why we try to work at any of our personal relationships, and stay in situations longer than is reasonable. Because we have been conned into thinking we don’t know our own minds, or our full selves, even. That we must be kind, that we must not rock the boat, or argue, or be even the slightest bit disagreeable. And, as always, but I can see!
I think there's such conflation at least in the US between "leftist" and "liberal" despite the differences because the right wing has been really successful for the past several decades in their society-wide push to label everything they oppose as leftism, combined with how as compared to many other countries there's been only a small sliver of active actual leftism.
Exactly. I was using it in the way they're used in the US. American people call themselves 'liberal' or 'leftwing' 'on the left' or increasingly 'progressive left' when their actual positions are very different to the political terms Left or Liberal (which perhaps I would have capitalised if I were using them in that way!).
Oh look, he's ignoring your reply and gaslighting you in real time!
I already had
He came to mansplain and stayed to prove that he is an incredible husband, father, human, leftwinger.
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Actual lol!
I'm mildly impressed that he realised how silly he looked and deleted.
I’m so glad you didn’t just accept what he was saying. We all need to be prepared to say “but I can see!”
The thing is whatever they call themselves, very rarely have I spoken to a man of ANY political stripe who behaves like or even *actually* thinks women are 3-dimensional, emotionally complex, human beings...
“ A man who sees a woman as a thing with boobs is a man who conceptualizes women as property to be owned, exploited and potentially despoiled, not a man who sees women as different, but equal.” 🔥👍 Still… that doesn’t change my experience that the vast majority of men I have spoken to/know do not understand that women are anything more than a surface. Note: I didn’t say “most men I know hate women”. That is not true. These men love their mothers, sisters, daughters, wives, girlfriends, friends… they just cannot comprehend the experience of being a woman- physically or socially- and so a large and deep part of a woman’s being is entirely ignored or disregarded… if it is even acknowledged to exist at all.
That sounds infuriating. What restaurant?
That must have been very hard for you.
The accusation that you were offended is a tactic similar to telling someone to "calm down" or that you don't like their tone. It is actually used by both men and women to divert attention from the substance of an argument they are losing.
How awful and embarrassing to be treated like that ,you are right though it’s not unusual for woman to be dismissed in this way.
I had a consultant psychiatrist put his hand on my knee telling me I had to accept that my husbands
condition had deteriorated, I removed his hand told him you are fucking wrong .
My husband will not recover from Alzheimer’s ,he had been admitted to hospital because he could
not use his muscles had hallucinations was falling .
He had delirium , I have a video of him requested by his doctors and with his permission of him
experiencing the same difficulty taken several years before this incident.
The doctor just did not want to see it did not suit his view .
So three admission two discharges six hard falls many hours in ambulances in a@e a lot of
suffering . He had Covid which had sent in motion this reaction that he gets from infection .
I could have cried into the shoulder of Mr knee patter in a womanly way , accepted his view
rather like you with your pasta .
I am not doing that you are not doing that .
That’s what matters we stand our ground as David Tennent so kindly titled us and I now sign
my self .
A whinging fucker.
I wish all of us even the men well .
I’m enraptured by the precision of “But I can SEE!” I think that of all the things you might have said, it’s the least expected and yet most biting, the most difficult to debate.
A great phrase that deserves to be deployed much more widely. Kudos.
Perfect, thank you
I’ve just come across this, and…WOW!
It literally sums up everything about being a woman. I fully believe our socialisation is what makes us an easy target for abuse. It’s why we try to work at any of our personal relationships, and stay in situations longer than is reasonable. Because we have been conned into thinking we don’t know our own minds, or our full selves, even. That we must be kind, that we must not rock the boat, or argue, or be even the slightest bit disagreeable. And, as always, but I can see!